Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:16:53]
Anyone interested in answering a few questions about furry writing? Figure this is a good place to ask. Will be for my pedagogy thesis.

Cardigan, [23 Jan 2023 11:17:26]
depending on how complicated said questions are, I'm down

𝐸𝓋𝒶𝓃 𝒟𝓇𝒶𝓀𝑒, [23 Jan 2023 11:17:41]
I honestly don't know the first thing about furry writing or I would totally sign up

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:17:44]
Kinda thinking of just asking here. They seem like pretty on-brand conversation topics :3

Utunu, [23 Jan 2023 11:18:36]
Sure thing, although I may not be the best to answer depending on the question.

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:19:11]
I'd be game to answer questions

𝐸𝓋𝒶𝓃 𝒟𝓇𝒶𝓀𝑒, [23 Jan 2023 11:19:31]
screw it. I'll take a crack at it anyway. at the worst, my answers are completely worthless but that's fine.

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:20:04]
Well, just gonna drop them in, then. What's important to y'all about the furry writing, and, specifically, how is that accomplished within the writing? What makes fiction furry for you?

Utunu, [23 Jan 2023 11:20:41]
I'll respond via DM, if I may?

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:20:47]
By all means ^^

𝐸𝓋𝒶𝓃 𝒟𝓇𝒶𝓀𝑒, [23 Jan 2023 11:20:56]
Oof. that's a toughie.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:20:58]
I can do, sure!

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:21:17]
okay question

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:21:29]
does having these answers uninfluenced by our peers answers help?

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:21:39]
Nah, discussion's good!

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:21:45]
because it's very easy for a group to come to a consensus based on other group members

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:21:47]
Okay, tight

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:22:05]
Actually, coming to consensus is on-topic for one of my talking points.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:22:28]
for me, a lot of my identity is defined by how the majority would view my identity

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:22:30]
(Tho won't specify why until later)

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:22:57]
for example, I am queer because society points at me and says "that thing you do is queer" and I say "I'm queer! Eat it!"

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:23:22]
thus, what I make is "furry" because it has anthro animals in it, because people say "that thing you do, it is furry!" and thus, it become.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:23:35]
it's not good actualisation, but I don't find myself invoking "furry tropes" persay

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:23:47]
because I'd argue there are none, other than the themes of identity and self

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:24:19]
"this is jeff, he is a fox" is a statement of physicality but also of cognitive identity

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:24:34]
even if you don't make Jeff behave... foxishly, you have gone "Jeff is a fox" not "Jeff is an Otter"

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:24:51]
and you did that for a reason, even if you can't or don't or don't think you know why

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:25:46]
There's a paired set of concepts out there, witnessing and mirroring, that play into that a lot. They  describe how identity is reinforced through a) seeing mirrored in others aspects of yourself and b) having others witness those same aspects in you.

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:26:14]
(enter != space :P)

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:27:15]
I've often found it weird that if Victor Tremblay was a human he would be... completely uninteresting to me

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:27:37]
not even just "not attractive", not even "unattractive", he'd just... uninteresting

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:28:05]
there's something an anthro lemur can achieve just by being an anthro lemur that a human can't do in his place

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:28:15]
I don't know what that is, but it's... vivid to me

Sage, [23 Jan 2023 11:29:06]
For me, it's because I would prefer a world full of fuzzy animals, in the same way I would prefer a world with dragons and magic. It's just more interesting.

On top of that, I don't think I'm otherkin, but I do consider myself otherkin adjacent, so part of it is this is just my idealized world. And because I'm the author, I get to decide the rules.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:29:47]
I definitely feel like I'm human, but I definitely feel like I want to be in a furry world more than a human one

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:29:56]
I don't like showing people pictures of my humanface

Cardigan, [23 Jan 2023 11:30:12]
To me what matters most is having a good emotional core to the story. I've been inspired to write by FVNs, and there, having said core would make or break most works (that aren't explicitly just for the horny). Even stories that aren't necessarily romance, I feel can work better if the emotion core is well made; even when the emotion is a negative one like rage.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:31:19]
Furry has a cultural cache of asking, answering, discussing and exploring themes of gender, identity, sexuality and queerness inherently in it's DNA

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:31:49]
which I think attracts me to furry fiction more than nonfurry stuff. There's also a certain... humph, how to address it

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:32:40]
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Lemur Victor can "pass" as female much easier than Human Victor could

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:32:49]
I know "pass" is a... problematic concept

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:33:06]
but there's that thing of "this body can change and mould easier than a human body can"

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:33:07]
Mm, I don't know that I'd go as far as problematic. Just not universal.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:35:16]
*nods*

Rob MacWolf, [23 Jan 2023 11:36:05]
What's important about furry writing: assuming that 'furry' is 'the culture of self-definition as an animal as a tool of identity exploration', then that cultural tool should find exercise in all arts. Tools of self-definition and identity exploration are honestly needed now more than ever, both in the face of queerphobic backlash--and the right to self identification and self definition are the foundation of all LGBTQ rights--and in the face of late capitalism seeking to reduce as many people as possible to nothing but their usable labor.
How is that accomplished in writing: that depends on the writer, but most commonly it's a subtle, interpretable, and very efficient character exposition tool. animals as personality metaphors have been around longer than writing, so if i say "Greg is a Toad" then that immediately gives the reader an idea of who Greg is, without having to say "Greg is melancholy, and grumpy, and standoffish." but note that, it commits one LESS to those characteristics, because you haven't actually SAID "melancholy, grumpy, standoffish" you've just hinted at a cultural consensus with those connotations: a consensus that not all readers are going to share. this gives the writer enormous powers of subtlety and subversion, like a painter thinning their paints to translucency.
What makes fiction furry for you: honestly, i think it's more about the community the writer belongs to, and the audience they write for. but a common element i think i see in writing that does count is a real concern with and interest in the details of what being a person but not a human is LIKE. both furries and non-furries will tell a story with a lion-man in it. but the furries will argue about whether he should be digitigrade of plantigrade, or whether his culture is structured like prides with a single king polyamorously married to a conclave of female senators who actually do the work, and all the other males forming gay partnerships of convenience.

Nenekiri Bookwyrm, [23 Jan 2023 11:39:51]
I'm at work right now, but will get something to ya when I get the chance!

𝐸𝓋𝒶𝓃 𝒟𝓇𝒶𝓀𝑒, [23 Jan 2023 11:40:44]
A world with dragons? You're my new favorite person.

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 11:44:58]
Y'all are awesome ^^

𝐸𝓋𝒶𝓃 𝒟𝓇𝒶𝓀𝑒, [23 Jan 2023 11:45:28]
To answer the first question, what’s important to me about any writing, furry included, is that it’s written with joy. It sounds cheesy but that’s a hard requirement and it’s also kinda going outside the scope of the question so I won’t go into that. For something more specific it’s the metaphor that’s more important to me. I always considered humans to not be very different from animals and this allows me to truly capture that and show that we share so many characteristics and we tie so many animals to human traits and feelings. Also, it lets me write things without readers getting caught up on racial identifiers which I hate.

As for what makes fiction furry for me? Honestly, I don’t have a clear answer for that because furry itself is a very fluid concept for me. It doesn’t really have a set structure or definition since animals have always been a part of human culture and even aspects that we consider “furry” are still pretty commonplace in today’s world. But to provide a response that is more than just a philosophical discussion, I would say what makes fiction for me is it includes animals as replacements for people. I don’t want to say anthropomorphized because too many people take that in a very specific way and I mean it in a broader sense. Like I consider Watership Down to fall under furry fiction whereas others only consider something like Zootopia or something specifically adult rated. For me, both would qualify as furry.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:48:35]
I do find a lot of the "you need to reference fur and musk and smells and make it really animally or it doesn't count" a really offputting thing that crops up in some discussions of "what makes a thing furry"

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:49:11]
coffee shop furry is a really valid form of furry because we're still in the roam of identity and using animals as a metaphore for the unseen self

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:50:33]
I would assume a story would need at least some means of distinguishing that the characters are furry.

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:51:05]
Not necessarily smells but without some descriptors, an outsider might assume the characters are human.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:51:47]
I usually do "is a fox" or something

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:51:52]
and for me that's enough

Rob MacWolf, [23 Jan 2023 11:52:30]
i think i'd say it's the "what is it LIKE to be such-and-such an animal person" question being adressed. and that can be in the form of the ever-present "here are everyone's stinks!" preoccupation, but also in terms of "the wolf character is the one who can't handle, psychologically, his childhood freind group drifitng apart as they grow up" or "all the indigenous characters are animals that are native to north america, the non-indigenous ones aren't" or things like that

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:52:58]
Indeed. Something like that would be the least an author could do to say, "Hey! These folks ain't human."

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:53:24]
Indeed. I feel like part of my relationship to identity revolves around the need for self-identification

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:53:53]
if anything "I am Jeff and I am a Fox" has an almost pseudocode for "I'm Jeff and I am queer" to it.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:53:56]
it's not saying that

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:54:00]
they are different statements

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:54:41]
but it's almost a precog thing of "identity is defined by the self, here's an easy example that you're acustomed to, get ready to have this envelope pushed"

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:55:30]
Something I mentioned in my answer to Madison was to say that, during the life of the characters, exploring the animal characteristics of the characters and how those might cause struggles and/or how those characteristics might cause the characters to react differently to situations.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 11:55:43]
yee, that makes sense

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:56:21]
Like, a species of anthor-horses would probably have some means of keeping their hooves from slipping on slick surfaces

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:57:00]
Wouldn't it be funny if they forgot to put on their anti-slip hoof thingamajig one day? What would be the consequences of it?

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:57:39]
Sitting down in a chair for most anthro characters might be an issue if they were to sit down in a standard human chair

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:57:56]
or at least a solid back chair

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:58:47]
Those are very minor details but important in the day to day living of the characters.

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:59:02]
Probably not even worth discussing in most cases

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 11:59:19]
But, could be a point of contention depending on the situation

Sage, [23 Jan 2023 12:02:42]
I think exploring what it means to be an anthro is a perfectly valid type of writing, but also I don't think it's *necessary* for successful furry fiction.

Faux, Esquire, [23 Jan 2023 12:03:39]
^

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 12:04:03]
This is a good point as well.

Sage, [23 Jan 2023 12:05:05]
Like, yeah, my MC is a horse and has hooves and a tail, but for this story, I'm not all that interested in exploring what that means for the reality, so they sit in chairs normally and don't have to do anything special to buy clothes, and they eat normal food that a human in this world would eat (maybe they're a vegetarian, maybe not) because in that instance I'm not interested in exploring what having hooves means for building material or how chairs would have to be designed for tails or whether wolf Anthros can eat chocolate and birds find grapes spicy etc.

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 12:06:17]
Of course! I suppose my point was during the story, there needs to be some means of distinguishing that the characters aren't human.

Sage, [23 Jan 2023 12:07:17]
I think, to Pascal's point, sometimes the thing that distinguishes them from being human, for me, is that they have a tail, and that's really all I want.

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 12:07:39]
And Pascal hit the nail on the head.

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 12:07:48]
Something simple is all that's needed.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:08:14]
Yee, I think that "not human" is an important... almost opt-out

Sage, [23 Jan 2023 12:08:17]
And sometimes it's not. I have a whole universe of stories with uplifted animal protagonists and in those stories I do want to go into why they're *not* human beyond just having tails and fur. It depends on the purpose I'm writing.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:08:30]
like "I could just do humans, but I chose to not almost as a statement on it's own"

🎨🐺Kayode Lycaon🏳️‍🌈, [23 Jan 2023 12:08:52]
I generally just add body language and sensory information humans wouldn’t have.

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 12:09:12]
This is a good one.

Sakara Primitive Foxxo, [23 Jan 2023 12:09:29]
Embrace stone age fox, live before the chair and ignore tail problems.

I guess I get off lucky with this kind of stuff. I can just sort of play the "it's all tailor-made" card. The most animalistic aspect I think I give them is enhanced senses of smell and the tail being important for balance in some cases. Hence Tikeri wears a fake one.

🎨🐺Kayode Lycaon🏳️‍🌈, [23 Jan 2023 12:10:07]
For example, in an unpublished story, I have a character needing to fake sexual attraction during a date and that the smell was the most difficult.

Sakara Primitive Foxxo, [23 Jan 2023 12:10:59]
Oh, @fopfox I know you might have something to add to this

🎨🐺Kayode Lycaon🏳️‍🌈, [23 Jan 2023 12:11:06]
He’s very concerned about smelling right to the person he’s dating.

𝐸𝓋𝒶𝓃 𝒟𝓇𝒶𝓀𝑒, [23 Jan 2023 12:11:30]
that's when you reach for the "Musk" by Calvin Klein. (sorry, I just had to go for that joke.)

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:11:34]
there's something I find interesting in the social understanding that "furry characters = cartoon violence"

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:11:54]
and then replacing cartoon with "proper hardcore violence" has a kinda shattering of a sense of security to it

🎨🐺Kayode Lycaon🏳️‍🌈, [23 Jan 2023 12:12:16]
That would be immediately noticeable as masking your scent. Works with some people. Others would see it as dishonest.

Sakara Primitive Foxxo, [23 Jan 2023 12:12:28]
It's fine, it could be worse. It could be stealing the "body odour is a manifestation of the soul" thing from the Mongols.

🎨🐺Kayode Lycaon🏳️‍🌈, [23 Jan 2023 12:12:33]
It’s the equivalent of wearing a mask or costume.

Sage, [23 Jan 2023 12:12:42]
I think part of it is, as writers, fundamentally what we're doing is exploring a reality. That reality may be a little or a lot different from ours, but what any given author wants to explore--either specifically in that story or more generally--varies widely.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:12:49]
you laugh

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:12:49]
but

Ta'kom Ironhoof, [23 Jan 2023 12:12:57]
Indeed!

Madison Scott-Clary, [23 Jan 2023 12:13:13]
We haven't brushed up too close to it yet but I'm compelled to say that I'm probably gonna drop prescriptivist answers. Y'all are great just want to expand on what I'm looking for.

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Kerg:
Furry writing, to me, is just a different space to explore. You can look at topics and characteristics without some of the historical baggage of race in the same way. You're able to envision the world as less messy in some ways. 

But, at least when I was first getting in, it allowed for the exploration of gender and sexuality in a way that wasn't available in the mainstream. I don't know that I would know that I was bi if I didn't have furry writing allowing me to explore that side as a reader and a writer. Even stories that dealt with discrimination, there was love and hope for a better future for queer people that wasn't readily accessible. 

Fiction is furry to me if it's about anthropomorphic characters. I don't consider talking animals furry (a la watership down) but when characters behave and walk like humans despite having fur and appearing like animals.

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Utunu:
For me it is a natural extension of the escapism process. A lot of speculative fiction still is bound by some basic assumptions (in most examples, at least) – humans are a part of it, if not all of it. Due to that, we start off with various defined things that we all take for granted, and to me that feels a bit limiting. Now, admittedly, most of my own stories have a basis in humanity behind the furriness – tribal concepts, similarities in cultural and societal norms, etc. – but I always know that I can ignore those if I so desire. I can remove those aspects of humanity I do not wish to show, or do not wish to be referenced or acknowledged, and do my worldbuilding from a cleaner slate.

That all being said, there is a lot of ‘furry fiction’ that does not fit my view of furry fiction. A lot of it seems to be a façade covering human characters, barely even touching upon what makes them different. For it to feel like true furry fiction, I need something that worldbuilds with it in mind – preferably not just incorporating the odd enhanced senses or animal characteristics to attempt to make it feel ‘furry’, but also sets something up about the world that makes it truly different.

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Takom Ironhoof:

1. What's important to you about the furry writing?

  The important thing to me is a change in identity. I see furry writing as a way to express human concepts and conflicts without involving humans. It’s important to me that, while reading, I feel as if I am the characters or can at least empathize with them on some level. 
 
2. How is that accomplished within the writing?

  The same as any other story: conflict, adventure, and motivations. The only difference in my mind is that the humans are replaced with anthropomorphic equivalent species. Another thing would be to give thought to how certain anthropomorphic characteristics could help or hinder the characters. 

3. What makes fiction 'furry' to you?
  
  I suppose I answered this question with my last answer; the inclusion of “furry” characters. I suppose another difference would be the unique problems associated with being  a “furry” character, such as, tails not fitting in chairs, hooves slipping on some surfaces, having to be more careful around fire. The logistics of being a furry character go well beyond that of the standard human struggle and having that nuance is a small detail that can make a huge impact on a story.

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Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:26:21]
The way furry is willing to tackle sex and sexuality and sex positivity in a way non-furry art is... less inclined to, I find really important

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:27:04]
I don't know of many straight media forms which integrate ideas about sex and sexual expression in the way furry does

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:27:12]
Sure there's non-human porn and non-human erotica

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:27:56]
but there's always this... kinda... luridity and "this is bad, you shouldn't read this, isn't this... oop, an ankle!" to human-based media that... furry doesn't do?

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:27:59]
Or doesn't seem to do?

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:28:33]
Something like 50 Shades wouldn't have an effect on a furry world

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:29:19]
if it turned up and was "furry", there'd be... none of the same "oh look, scandal!" it'd just be a... poorly written BDSM piece and the main critique would be how that was depicted.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:30:06]
I think furry fiction is a space where sexuality can be questioned, explored, the full weight of it valued and discussed and how sex integrates to identity and society can be explored really well

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:30:29]
there's a framework for it, and also the idea of a furry character having the body you wished you had at the time.

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:30:55]
Transformation, dronification and other fetishes have a lot of psycological space which otherwise goes unexplored in non-furry zones?

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:34:38]
There's things with sex I can do in furry fiction that I don't think I could do outside of it

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:34:56]
Mostly to do with how it integrates into a story, that sort of thing

Pascal Farful 10th Anniversay Deluxe Edition 2CD set, [23 Jan 2023 12:36:08]
so like, I'm writing one at the moment where the protagonist walks into a large collection of bunk beds where sex is just... happening, and he observes it. It's not... implied that it's going to happen by earlier scenes. It's contextually appropriate, but I feel like in non-furry I'd be told to edit that out, but in furry it can be there because... furry is Queer and furry can have sex in it because it's always been there

Izixs, [25 Jan 2023 13:51:47]
I must agree

Izixs, [25 Jan 2023 14:03:47]
Providing a fundamental decoupling from our world and its social structures, even if the world being depicted is a lot like ours, can provide a great deal of freedom in a number of areas.

Izixs, [25 Jan 2023 14:09:31]
Could even argue that the decoupling from the what is of our society is not just an aspect of the genre, but an aspect of an argument to be made. That escaping the constraints that push shame and oppression for those of a sexual nature is not only possible, but could lead to a world that is generally better, more beautiful, and easier to live in.

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