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@ -156,8 +156,8 @@ Stolon talking with Tycho very informal and slangy, also a bit spotty on English
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* [-] SPLIT <!--[Interlude](interlude/002) --- Ioan and May (who indeed have a cry) discuss how it feels to know that the talks are taking place and may be over by the time they hear about it - 3319-->
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* [O] [Tycho Brahe#Castor](local/tycho/009) --- Talks with Sarah Genet about what the two parties are learning and how its impacting his view of the System and Artemis - 1920
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* [O] [Tycho Brahe#Artemis](remote/tycho/002) --- Watches TN try to have a discussion with Turun Ka regarding history, and it is an exercise in mutual misunderstanding, starting to feel out of his league with #Artemis being about social aspects - 1725
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* [o] [Ioan Bălan](ioan/010) --- Ioan, May, End Waking, A Finger Pointing, Douglas meet up to talk about thing; what does it feel like, etc - 1938
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* [o] [Tycho Brahe#Castor](local/tycho/010) --- Compares utility differences between forking/time manipulation (mostly Tycho, but also TN/WAQ) (day 3 after lunch) - 1965
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* [O] [Ioan Bălan](ioan/010) --- Ioan, May, End Waking, A Finger Pointing, Douglas meet up to talk about thing; what does it feel like, etc - 1938
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* [O] [Tycho Brahe#Castor](local/tycho/010) --- Compares utility differences between forking/time manipulation (mostly Tycho, but also TN/WAQ) (day 3 after lunch) - 1965
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* [o] [Codrin Bălan#Castor](local/codrin/009) --- After watching similar discussion of TN misunderstanding, meets up with Sarah Genet over break, discusses note from Codrin#Artemis (day 3 lunch) - 2251
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* [o] [Codrin Bălan#Artemis](remote/codrin/004) --- Talks about current status during break, suggests ideas to Tycho about what he could be paying attention to re: politics/society/history in terms of the stars, leads to question of whether there were others that they've met along the way but didn't join them arising, but told not to ask yet - 3208
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* [-] MERGED ABOVE <!--[Codrin Bălan#Artemis](remote/codrin/005) --- Compares political differences between forking/time manipulation (Mostly TN, but Codrin/Sarah), AWNH is acting strange, sends note back to #Castor hinting that it was Tycho that noticed-->
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# Codrin Bălan#Artemis --- 2346
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# Codrin Bălan#Castor --- 2346
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Convergence T-1 day, 1 hour, 15 minutes
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True Name's ability to keep a steady, half-smiling expression was admirable. Even Why Ask Questions appeared to be only just barely keeping frustration at bay.
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Having instructed the Artemisians on how to use cones of silence, there were far fewer breaks throughout the last two days, limited to one in the morning, one in the afternoon, and a longer lunch in the middle. That did not stop them from settling into private conversation every few minutes to discuss whatever answer they might give.
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Ey initially found it strange that added downtime would make the their party more tired rather than less, but after some consideration --- and a brief talk with Sarah --- ey'd come to the realization that those periods of quiet between question and answer were still spent in expectation. They were still working during those pauses. They were still in conversation, if only by way of watching and waiting, trying to guess what might have led to the need to have that discussion. Ey could not read lips, could not speak the language well enough, and certainly could not read expressions beyond eir limited notes so far, so ey was left only with guesses and suppositions.
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Ey initially found it strange that added downtime would make the their party more tired rather than less, but after some consideration --- and a brief talk with Sarah --- ey'd come to the realization that those periods of quiet between question and answer were still spent in expectation. They were still working during those pauses. They were still in conversation, if only by way of watching and waiting, trying to guess what might have led to the need to have that discussion. Ey could not read expressions beyond eir limited notes so far, could not speak the language well enough, and certainly could not read lips, so ey was left only with guesses and suppositions.
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And through it all, True Name seemed to be trying to match the firstracers for patient expressions.
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Nothing about that experience had been done with a wink and a nudge, just as nothing about this had contained any such acknowledgement that it was intentional, but ey was nothing if not primed to expect her actions to be based in manipulation. There was a non-zero chance that this tantrum had been more for the benefit of the other delegates than anything. It was a way to show that she, too, was frustrated, just as the pun-off that had followed had been a way to loosen everyone up by lampshading the absurdity of the whole venture.
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And then, it was over. True Name cleared away her plate, explained that she was going to write a letter to her #Emissary instance, made a final joke about needing to do so over letters being much more up Codrin's alley, and then stepped into her room to work in silence.
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And then, it was over. True Name cleared away her plate, explained that she was going to write a letter to her #Artemis instance, made a final joke about needing to do so over letters being much more up Codrin's alley, and then stepped into her room to work in silence.
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"What was that about?" Sarah asked, once the skunk and Why Ask Questions had wandered off again.
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Codrin sat up straighter. "Wait, you mean the Odists struggling over there?"
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She nodded. "It sounds like moving them to a unison room is helping, but they're still struggling with that...what did Codrin#Emissary call it? The omnipresence of time?"
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She nodded. "It sounds like moving them to a unison room is helping, but they're still struggling with that...what did Codrin#Artemis call it? The omnipresence of time?"
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"Yes. Dear had talked about it some. It called the feeling of being lost as being stuck in an 'endless place of no time'."
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"Right. Anger and sadness or depression seem to be the two that keep cropping up. They've had to take a few breaks so far when Why Ask Questions wound up in a crying jag."
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She shook her head. "I've not heard anything from my #Emissary instance, which is fine, but I wonder how she would describe it."
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She shook her head. "I've not heard anything from my #Artemis instance, which is fine, but I wonder how she would describe it."
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"Want me to ask? I was going to send off a note before we started back up again."
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Sarah leaned forward, elbows on her knees, and ey did the same. The added secrecy of talking quieter was a difficult habit to break, and eir mind was still on the topic of lip-reading from earlier.
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"#Emissary hinted at something and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. That ey's even hinting at it rather than just saying it outright is telling in and of itself, of course, but I can see why, given the context. The messages are clade-eyes-only, so others can't read them unless one of us grants permission, anyway. It's only a hint, but I think ey's suggesting that it's not Why Ask Questions on Artemis, but Answers Will Not Help."
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"#Artemis hinted at something and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. That ey's even hinting at it rather than just saying it outright is telling in and of itself, of course, but I can see why, given the context. The messages are clade-eyes-only, so others can't read them unless one of us grants permission, anyway. It's only a hint, but I think ey's suggesting that it's not Why Ask Questions on Artemis, but Answers Will Not Help."
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The psychologist frowned down toward the floor. "What form did this hint take?"
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"Anything in subsequent letters?"
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"Well, Codrin#Assist confirmed it, saying, "Dear says that's correct. Why Ask Questions worked sys-side, Answers Will Not Help worked phys-side". Neither #Emissary nor I have brought it up again since."
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"Well, Codrin#Assist confirmed it, saying, "Dear says that's correct. Why Ask Questions worked sys-side, Answers Will Not Help worked phys-side". Neither #Artemis nor I have brought it up again since."
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"You obviously know your communication style better than anyone else, but do you think ey's hinting at the fact that they were switched specifically for their roles? Intra- and extra-system sentiment?"
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"Alright," ey said, scratching out another quick note to emself. "I'll figure out a way to ask if that's where the observation came from."
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"Oh? As in maybe Tycho noticed that and told Codrin#Emissary?"
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"Oh? As in maybe Tycho noticed that and told Codrin#Artemis?"
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"Right, yeah. Maybe he picked up on it first because he's had more time with her, or maybe her reaction to the skew tipped him off. Why knows?"
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Sarah stood, waved, and wandered back into the room, leaving em to brush out eir tunic and straighten the apron that rested over eir skirt before starting the note.
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> Codrin#Emissary
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> Codrin#Artemis
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> Not a whole lot to add here on my part, and I need to get back to it momentarily, so just a quick note for now. There's been some talk on biology and a bit more on astronomy. This always gets Tycho super excited, of course, so we have to space the topic out so that he and Stolon don't completely monopolize the meeting.
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"Well, we can turn our sensoria's sensitivity up and down on an individual level, and we can increase or decrease collision sensitivity on a sim level. Like, in public sims, collision sensitivity will be conservative so that you can't bump someone too hard. I was wondering if there are similar mechanics on Artemis. Are there sims where that restriction on touch at high relative skew is relaxed?"
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The secondracer looked what Tycho could only describe as startled. "That could lead to physical damage to one or both objects involved in the interaction."
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The secondracer's expression was what Tycho could only describe as startled. "That could lead to physical damage to one or both objects involved in the interaction."
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He frowned. "Of course, that makes sense. I only ask because that functionality is available to us."
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Iska had been gripping the edge of the table tightly and finally seemed to cave to emotion and set up a cone of silence. He watched as, within, they said something that looked quite angry to Artante, who nodded calmly and said something in return. There was an angry retort, and then the same response from Artante.
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Both firstracers sat by impassively. They may have been talking, but there was no visible indication of such. Stolon, meanwhile, sat between the two, looking miserably uncomfortable to his (admittedly untrained) eye.
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Both firstracers sat by impassively. They may have been talking, but there was no visible indication of such. Stolon, meanwhile, sat between the two, looking miserably uncomfortable.
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When the cone dropped once more, Artante continued. "In a system without forking, scientist Tycho Brahe, you must understand that there is no analogue to such. A system which could intentionally allow egregious harm to its occupants is unacceptable to us."
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"You were very intent on it," ey said. "And I was wondering if it's something that might be relevant to the rest of us or if it was something destined for True Name#Artemis."
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There was a silent pause where True Name looked first at Codrin, then at Why Ask Questions, then back again. "I had intended to send it to #Artemis, but I take your meaning. In short, Jonas and I have thoughts on an appropriate level of discomfort and danger within a society in order to maintain stability. A system that restricts violence by mechanics such as these may --- and that is a very big 'may' --- speak to one that falls below that acceptable threshold for us."
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There was a silent pause where True Name looked first at Codrin, then at Why Ask Questions, then back again. "I had intended to send it to #Artemis, but I take your meaning. You know that Jonas and I have thoughts on an appropriate level of discomfort and danger within a society in order to maintain stability. A system that restricts violence by mechanics such as these may --- and that is a very big 'may' --- speak to one that falls below that acceptable threshold for us."
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""Pain, anxiety, the need for something greater, these are all essential for survival. Without them, the world would be an impossibly dangerous place", you mean." Codrin quoted.
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