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<h1>Zk | Tricorn discusses some evergetic things</h1>
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<div class="codehilite"><pre><span></span><code><span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Yesterday</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">10</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">59</span> <span class="n">PM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">never</span> <span class="n">know</span> <span class="n">how</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">feel</span> <span class="n">about</span> <span class="n">things</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">this</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">There</span><span class="s1">'s a part of me that wants to respond back about this idea that "Satan was talking too much sense," but I also realize that sentiments like this are born from a traumatic experience with one form of Christianity, and it makes me feel genuinely sad that the positive experience I had growing up was the exception rather than the rule</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Yesterday</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">11</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">07</span> <span class="n">PM</span>
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<span class="n">Especially</span> <span class="n">when</span> <span class="n">there</span> <span class="n">are</span> <span class="n">takes</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">these</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">which</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">me</span> <span class="n">ring</span> <span class="n">far</span> <span class="n">truer</span> <span class="n">than</span> <span class="s2">"Satan was talking a lot of sense."</span> <span class="n">ESPECIALLY</span> <span class="n">since</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">last</span> <span class="mi">4</span> <span class="n">years</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">shown</span> <span class="n">us</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">MAGA</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">Trumpist</span> <span class="n">crowd</span> <span class="n">how</span> <span class="n">easy</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">appeal</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">selfishness</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">people</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">1</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">07</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">don</span><span class="s1">'t know, I just...feel heartbroken? About this, that something that has been such a blessing and comfort in my life, was abused and twisted into something that left a man that I respect and admire so traumatized. It just makes me sad.</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">2</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">40</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">mean</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">religion</span> <span class="n">has</span> <span class="n">always</span> <span class="n">had</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">capacity</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">being</span> <span class="n">used</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">cudgel</span>
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<span class="n">https</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="o">//</span><span class="n">twitter</span><span class="o">.</span><span class="n">com</span><span class="o">/</span><span class="n">happyroadkill</span><span class="o">/</span><span class="n">status</span><span class="o">/</span><span class="mi">1400171433666527234</span><span class="err">?</span><span class="n">s</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="mi">21</span>
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<span class="err">☠️</span> <span class="n">HAPPY</span> <span class="err">☠️</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="err">@</span><span class="n">happyroadkill</span><span class="p">)</span>
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<span class="n">there</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">special</span> <span class="n">place</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">art</span> <span class="n">hell</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">writers</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">mangle</span> <span class="n">their</span> <span class="n">entire</span> <span class="n">story</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">last</span> <span class="n">minute</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">because</span> <span class="n">some</span> <span class="n">guy</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">youtube</span> <span class="n">correctly</span> <span class="n">guessed</span> <span class="n">where</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">plot</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">going</span>
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<span class="n">Retweets</span>
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<span class="mi">392</span>
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<span class="n">Likes</span>
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<span class="mi">3120</span>
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<span class="n">Twitter</span><span class="err">•</span><span class="n">Yesterday</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">12</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">24</span> <span class="n">PM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">swear</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">mistake</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">abandon</span> <span class="n">Knox</span><span class="err">’</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">Decalogue</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">SS</span> <span class="n">Van</span> <span class="n">Dine</span><span class="err">’</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="mi">20</span> <span class="n">rules</span>
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<span class="n">Yeah</span> <span class="n">they</span> <span class="n">are</span> <span class="n">outdated</span> <span class="n">but</span> <span class="n">they</span> <span class="n">provided</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">decent</span> <span class="n">framework</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">which</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">build</span> <span class="n">upon</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">2</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">48</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Oh</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">realize</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">It</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">makes</span> <span class="n">me</span> <span class="n">sad</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">happens</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">because</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">fallout</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">someone</span> <span class="n">having</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">traumatic</span> <span class="n">association</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">something</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">deeply</span> <span class="n">meaningful</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="s1">'s been a help and a blessing</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">2</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">50</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">My</span> <span class="n">own</span> <span class="n">experience</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">religion</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">pretty</span> <span class="n">unsavory</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">don</span><span class="err">’</span><span class="n">t</span> <span class="n">associate</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">good</span> <span class="n">portion</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">family</span> <span class="n">after</span> <span class="n">they</span> <span class="n">started</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">associate</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="err">“</span><span class="nb">sin</span> <span class="n">caused</span> <span class="mi">9</span><span class="o">/</span><span class="mi">11</span><span class="err">”</span> <span class="n">dogma</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">2</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">59</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Ah</span> <span class="n">yes</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="s2">"Pat Robertson 700 Club ideology,"</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m familiar</span>
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<span class="n">Lamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">04</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">mean</span> <span class="nb">sin</span> <span class="n">did</span> <span class="n">cause</span> <span class="mi">9</span><span class="o">/</span><span class="mi">11</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">probably</span> <span class="ow">not</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">way</span> <span class="n">they</span> <span class="n">mean</span> <span class="n">lol</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">13</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'ll confess that I stay here because this server/podcast and Slacktivist is the most Christianity I can handle and it'</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">really</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">really</span> <span class="n">hard</span> <span class="n">work</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">do</span> <span class="n">so</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">don</span><span class="s1">'t identify as a Satanist but I hang out with a lot of them and I think I can discuss this idea of Satan</span>
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<span class="n">Mainly</span> <span class="n">he</span><span class="s1">'s seen an avatar of sticking it the the Man</span>
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<span class="n">Standing</span> <span class="n">up</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">saying</span> <span class="s2">"this is wrong"</span>
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<span class="n">Even</span> <span class="n">against</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">odds</span>
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<span class="n">When</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">look</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="n">how</span> <span class="n">thoroughly</span> <span class="n">much</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">Christianity</span> <span class="n">has</span> <span class="n">been</span> <span class="n">coopted</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">justify</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">abuse</span> <span class="n">power</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">it</span><span class="s1">'s easy to see the appeal</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">27</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">wish</span> <span class="n">Pat</span> <span class="n">Robertson</span> <span class="n">would</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">fucking</span> <span class="n">die</span> <span class="n">already</span>
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<span class="n">Mean</span> <span class="n">old</span> <span class="n">bastards</span> <span class="n">really</span> <span class="n">do</span> <span class="n">live</span> <span class="n">forever</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">guess</span>
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<span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">wants</span> <span class="n">some</span> <span class="n">red</span> <span class="n">stuff</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">28</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">every</span> <span class="n">now</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">then</span> <span class="n">i</span> <span class="n">comfort</span> <span class="n">myself</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">reading</span> <span class="n">an</span> <span class="n">imprecatory</span> <span class="n">psalm</span> <span class="ow">or</span> <span class="n">three</span>
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<span class="s2">"hey god come kill this dude. kthxbye"</span>
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<span class="n">AcetyleneLamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">40</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="err">@</span><span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="n">He</span><span class="s1">'s one of the main people who represents everything I hate about American fundie Christianity. I don'</span><span class="n">t</span> <span class="n">fault</span> <span class="n">anyone</span> <span class="n">wishing</span> <span class="n">he</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">no</span> <span class="n">longer</span> <span class="n">alive</span> <span class="n">because</span> <span class="n">he</span><span class="s1">'s someone who'</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">done</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">lot</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">actual</span> <span class="n">harm</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">world</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="ow">not</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">someone</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">opinions</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">dislike</span><span class="o">.</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">41</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Exactly</span>
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<span class="n">Plus</span> <span class="n">once</span> <span class="n">he</span><span class="s1">'s dead they can immediately cancel The 700 Club</span>
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<span class="n">Since</span> <span class="n">iirc</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">contract</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">Robertson</span> <span class="n">personally</span>
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<span class="n">AcetyleneLamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">42</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Freeform</span> <span class="n">only</span> <span class="n">still</span> <span class="n">shows</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">because</span> <span class="n">they</span><span class="s1">'re required too, I bet they'</span><span class="n">re</span> <span class="n">quietly</span> <span class="n">looking</span> <span class="n">forward</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">Pat</span> <span class="n">Robertson</span> <span class="n">kicking</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">bucket</span><span class="o">.</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">43</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Yeah</span> <span class="n">exactly</span>
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<span class="n">They</span><span class="s1">'re contractually obligated</span>
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<span class="n">But</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">contract</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">Robertson</span> <span class="n">himself</span> <span class="n">iirc</span>
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<span class="n">AcetyleneLamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">44</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Pat</span> <span class="n">Robertson</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">one</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">Frank</span> <span class="n">Zappa</span> <span class="n">scorched</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">song</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="mi">80</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">called</span> <span class="s2">"Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk."</span> <span class="n">Sad</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">think</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">Zappa</span><span class="s1">'s gone but grogger-worthy people mentioned in the song like Robertson and Jim Bakker are still around.</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">3</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">44</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Mean</span> <span class="n">old</span> <span class="n">bastards</span> <span class="n">live</span> <span class="n">forever</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">07</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">That</span><span class="s1">'s the thing, I think, that separates what I grew up with versus what I found after moving to the States. Because, like so many other things, Christianity has been co-opted and used by White Supremacy and American Imperialism to justify and glorify them</span>
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<span class="n">Whereas</span> <span class="n">meanwhile</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">grew</span> <span class="n">up</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m Austria? The Anglican Christ Church in Vienna was a truly multicultural church; I remember seeing what I think were ambassadors and their families from various African nations in attendance. They were so regal looking, it was like seeing Tolkien Elves like Galadriel and Elrond.</span>
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<span class="n">Then</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">course</span> <span class="n">there</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Catholicism</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Austrians</span> <span class="n">around</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">which</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">used</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">justify</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">social</span> <span class="n">welfare</span> <span class="n">programs</span> <span class="n">Austria</span> <span class="n">had</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">remember</span> <span class="n">listening</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">weekly</span> <span class="n">religion</span> <span class="n">classes</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">how</span> <span class="n">compassion</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">service</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">others</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">emphasized</span>
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<span class="n">Then</span> <span class="n">finally</span><span class="o">...</span><span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">mother</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">grew</span> <span class="n">up</span> <span class="n">under</span> <span class="n">Baptist</span> <span class="n">pastor</span> <span class="n">parents</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">saw</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">church</span> <span class="n">communities</span> <span class="n">could</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">across</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Midwest</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">finally</span> <span class="n">Georgia</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">Who</span> <span class="n">vowed</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">she</span> <span class="n">would</span> <span class="n">raise</span> <span class="n">her</span> <span class="n">children</span> <span class="n">almost</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">exact</span> <span class="n">opposite</span> <span class="n">way</span> <span class="n">she</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">raised</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">Emphasizing</span> <span class="n">compassion</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">being</span> <span class="n">there</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">others</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">Jesus</span> <span class="n">ACTUALLY</span> <span class="n">SAID</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Gospels</span><span class="o">.</span>
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<span class="n">Because</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">see</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">Satan</span> <span class="n">isn</span><span class="s1">'t so much a character who "sticks it to The Man," because...that'</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">Jesus</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="err">?</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">09</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">You</span><span class="s1">'ve struck at the heart of it</span>
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<span class="n">Racism</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">deeply</span> <span class="n">entrenched</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">lot</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">American</span> <span class="n">culture</span>
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<span class="n">We</span><span class="s1">'re now rooting out the less blatant stuff after it became bad to be openly racist.</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">10</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Another</span> <span class="n">factor</span> <span class="n">tbh</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">deeply</span> <span class="n">entrenched</span> <span class="n">misogyny</span>
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<span class="n">Especially</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">me</span>
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<span class="n">And</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">don</span><span class="s1">'t think Catholicism is anywhere near past that</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">11</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Oh</span> <span class="n">believe</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">am</span> <span class="n">absolutely</span> <span class="ow">not</span> <span class="n">excusing</span> <span class="n">Catholicism</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">misogyny</span> <span class="n">front</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">12</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Anglicanism</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">way</span> <span class="n">ahead</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">this</span> <span class="n">regard</span>
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<span class="n">Lots</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">woman</span> <span class="n">preachers</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">17</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">But</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m trying to get at is, the appeal, for me, of Jesus is the idea that God incarnated into a human life, to live like us and be with us, not as like, a prince or king or emperor, but as a working class man. Who called out those in power, because they were using their position and authority to take advantage of others.</span>
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<span class="n">That</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">t</span> <span class="n">Jesus</span> <span class="k">is</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">Whereas</span> <span class="n">Satan</span> <span class="n">meanwhile</span><span class="o">...</span><span class="n">attempts</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="s2">"rehabilitate"</span> <span class="n">him</span> <span class="n">feel</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m being made to read that "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" comic series? The one where Lex is the main character, and he and the story try to "justify" Lex'</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">worldview</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">his</span> <span class="n">vendetta</span> <span class="n">against</span> <span class="n">Superman</span><span class="o">...</span><span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">instead</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">whole</span> <span class="n">story</span> <span class="n">comes</span> <span class="n">across</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">most</span> <span class="n">damning</span> <span class="n">indictment</span> <span class="n">against</span> <span class="n">Lex</span> <span class="n">Luthor</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">everything</span> <span class="n">he</span> <span class="n">stands</span> <span class="k">for</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">19</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">feel</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">there</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">think</span> <span class="n">what</span><span class="s1">'s going on is that to those of us who experienced a different side of Christianity, that whole image of Jesus feels like... when a politician does the whole "man of the people" thing and it fools no one</span>
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<span class="n">Giving</span> <span class="n">lip</span> <span class="n">service</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">an</span> <span class="n">ideal</span> <span class="n">far</span> <span class="n">removed</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">reality</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">ground</span>
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<span class="n">Or</span> <span class="n">worse</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">Kim</span> <span class="n">Jong</span><span class="o">-</span><span class="n">Un</span> <span class="n">style</span> <span class="s2">"look, I suffer with you"</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="n">Narrator</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="n">he</span> <span class="n">didn</span><span class="s1">'t) and meanwhile relentlessly punishing the slightest dissent beyond all proportion</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">27</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">It</span> <span class="n">honestly</span> <span class="n">feels</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m living this picture in real life. And that just...it frustrates and grieves me?</span>
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<span class="n">Like</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">KNOW</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">idea</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">Jesus</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">described</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">Kivutar</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="ow">not</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">truth</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">KNOW</span> <span class="n">this</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">But</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">refuse</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">deny</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">so</span> <span class="n">many</span> <span class="n">others</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">been</span> <span class="n">traumatized</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">use</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="s2">"Jesus"</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">described</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">justify</span> <span class="n">their</span> <span class="n">own</span> <span class="n">Tyranny</span> <span class="n">against</span> <span class="n">others</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">30</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">well</span><span class="o">...</span> <span class="n">think</span> <span class="n">about</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">this</span> <span class="n">way</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">how</span> <span class="n">do</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">think</span> <span class="n">we</span> <span class="n">feel</span> <span class="k">while</span> <span class="n">living</span> <span class="n">under</span> <span class="n">jeezus</span> <span class="err">?</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">31</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Probably</span> <span class="n">much</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">way</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">feel</span><span class="err">?</span> <span class="n">So</span> <span class="n">absolutely</span> <span class="n">disgusted</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="n">meaning</span> <span class="n">also</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="n">haven</span><span class="s1">'t gone to an actual church in years, not even for Easter or Christmas or any other religious holiday</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">32</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">don</span><span class="s1">'t really appreciate that</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">no</span> <span class="n">longer</span> <span class="n">consider</span> <span class="n">myself</span> <span class="n">Christian</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="ow">not</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">years</span>
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<span class="n">Nor</span> <span class="n">do</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">any</span> <span class="n">desire</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">visit</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">church</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">33</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Most</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">swallow</span> <span class="n">Jeezus</span> <span class="n">unquestioningly</span> <span class="n">because</span> <span class="n">they</span><span class="s1">'re taught not to question</span>
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<span class="n">Sola</span> <span class="n">fide</span> <span class="n">bullshit</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">33</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'ve mentioned it in the past that the best way I can describe myself is "Naytheist by attrition"</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">33</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">This</span> <span class="n">may</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">phrasing</span> <span class="n">issue</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">33</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">am</span> <span class="n">atheist</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">disinterest</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">never</span> <span class="n">had</span> <span class="n">any</span> <span class="n">interest</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">church</span> <span class="n">because</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">wasn</span><span class="s1">'t fun and therefore I didn'</span><span class="n">t</span> <span class="n">give</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">shit</span> <span class="n">lol</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">would</span> <span class="n">act</span> <span class="n">out</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">eventually</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">parents</span> <span class="n">gave</span> <span class="n">up</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">35</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">apologize</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">trying</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">convey</span> <span class="n">was</span><span class="o">...</span><span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">guess</span> <span class="n">feeling</span> <span class="n">so</span> <span class="n">disgusted</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">so</span> <span class="n">alienated</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">whatever</span> <span class="n">reason</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="n">general</span> <span class="n">you</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="n">divorce</span> <span class="n">yourself</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">it</span><span class="err">?</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">35</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">i</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">can</span><span class="s1">'t come around to believe with all the bad shit going on in the world</span>
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<span class="n">hence</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">naytheist</span> <span class="n">stance</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">36</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m having trouble parsing that Tricorn</span>
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<span class="n">Are</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">disgusted</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">we</span><span class="s1">'re alienated?</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">36</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">The</span> <span class="n">question</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">evil</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">what</span><span class="s1">'s bugging you, Yuu?</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">37</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">no</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">they</span><span class="s1">'re disgusted by what caused the alienation</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">37</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Ah</span>
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<span class="n">Lamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">37</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Gonna</span> <span class="n">start</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">new</span> <span class="n">religion</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">37</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">That</span><span class="s1">'s completely fair then</span>
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<span class="n">Lamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">37</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">We</span><span class="s1">'re gonna use the Bible but we'</span><span class="n">re</span> <span class="n">removing</span> <span class="n">everything</span> <span class="n">written</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">Paul</span>
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<span class="n">And</span> <span class="n">instead</span> <span class="n">using</span> <span class="n">Saint</span> <span class="n">Young</span> <span class="n">Men</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">38</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">No</span> <span class="n">no</span><span class="err">?</span><span class="o">!</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m saying that I fully understand why you'</span><span class="n">d</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">so</span> <span class="n">disgusted</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">alienated</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">preached</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">these</span> <span class="n">churches</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">would</span> <span class="n">decide</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">leave</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">faith</span> <span class="n">altogether</span><span class="o">!</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">feel</span> <span class="n">disgusted</span> <span class="n">too</span><span class="o">!</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">feel</span> <span class="n">alienated</span> <span class="n">too</span><span class="o">!</span> <span class="n">The</span> <span class="n">only</span> <span class="n">reason</span> <span class="n">why</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m still hanging on to my faith, personally, is because of my VASTLY DIFFERENT experience growing up in Austria, growing up with a mother who explicitly chose not to be like her Fundamentalist, Baptist parents!</span>
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<span class="n">Lamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">40</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Might</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">weird</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">include</span> <span class="n">Buddha</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Bible</span> <span class="n">but</span> <span class="n">we</span><span class="s1">'ll work it out</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">40</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">guess</span><span class="o">...</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">hate</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">excuses</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">40</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Most</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">can</span><span class="s1">'t afford to live in good places lol</span>
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<span class="n">And</span> <span class="n">yeah</span>
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<span class="n">Of</span> <span class="n">course</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Old</span> <span class="n">Testament</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">full</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">doing</span> <span class="n">genocides</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">God</span><span class="s1">'s name, including in the last episode of this very show iirc</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">42</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Honestly</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="n">this</span> <span class="n">point</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">life</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="s2">"Bible time"</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">were</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">based</span> <span class="n">almost</span> <span class="n">exclusively</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">listening</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">podcast</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">talking</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">all</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">browsing</span> <span class="n">through</span> <span class="n">extremely</span> <span class="n">liberal</span> <span class="n">religion</span> <span class="n">blogs</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">Tumblr</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">because</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">genuinely</span> <span class="n">get</span> <span class="n">more</span> <span class="n">spiritual</span> <span class="n">fulfillment</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">those</span> <span class="n">sources</span> <span class="n">than</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">ever</span> <span class="n">could</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="n">any</span> <span class="n">church</span> <span class="n">around</span> <span class="n">here</span>
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<span class="n">Like</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">talking</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">here</span><span class="err">?</span> <span class="n">About</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">sadness</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">faith</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">gives</span> <span class="n">me</span> <span class="n">comfort</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">strength</span> <span class="n">has</span> <span class="n">been</span> <span class="n">used</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">hurt</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">abuse</span> <span class="n">others</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">cudgel</span><span class="err">?</span> <span class="n">That</span> <span class="n">means</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">lot</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">The</span> <span class="n">fact</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">treat</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">thoughts</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">validity</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">compassion</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">means</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">lot</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">me</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">47</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Basically</span> <span class="n">any</span> <span class="n">positive</span> <span class="n">thing</span> <span class="n">can</span> <span class="n">also</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">used</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">hurt</span> <span class="n">people</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">47</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Yeah</span>
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<span class="n">See</span> <span class="n">also</span> <span class="s2">"family"</span>
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<span class="n">It</span><span class="s1">'s the worst when good things get corrupted</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">51</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">yeah</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">52</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">It</span> <span class="k">is</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">It</span> <span class="n">absolutely</span> <span class="k">is</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">It</span><span class="s1">'s why I try, with all my heart, to be loving, compassionate and understanding to others. Because it is my way of witnessing, to try and make right the harm others have caused with a distorted and mauled form of my faith.</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">53</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">one</span> <span class="n">thing</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">bothers</span> <span class="n">me</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">argument</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">can</span><span class="s1">'t be a nice person without religion</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">53</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">can</span><span class="s1">'t undo the harm and hurt. But I want to at least try to make it right.</span>
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<span class="n">Yuudachi</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">53</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">specially</span> <span class="n">when</span> <span class="n">we</span> <span class="n">see</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">bad</span> <span class="n">stuff</span> <span class="n">done</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">religious</span> <span class="n">people</span>
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<span class="n">including</span> <span class="n">your</span> <span class="n">own</span> <span class="n">family</span>
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<span class="s2">"where are atheist gonna get their morals? how will they be able to tell good from evil?"</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">54</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">It</span><span class="s1">'s all gaslighting</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">54</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">EXACTLY</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">55</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">can</span> <span class="n">bring</span> <span class="n">up</span> <span class="n">hundreds</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">morally</span> <span class="n">reprehensible</span> <span class="n">actions</span> <span class="n">taken</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">characters</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Bible</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">believed</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">God</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">55</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Probably</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="nb">seed</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">distortion</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">idea</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">those</span> <span class="n">actions</span> <span class="n">are</span> <span class="n">justifiable</span> <span class="n">tbh</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">56</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">More</span> <span class="n">than</span> <span class="n">likely</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="s1">'s exactly it, yeah</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">will</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">honest</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">seen</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">spirit</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">God</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">more</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">identify</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="n">either</span> <span class="n">atheist</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">agnostic</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="ow">or</span> <span class="n">simply</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="ow">not</span> <span class="n">Christian</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">than</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">lot</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">go</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">about</span> <span class="n">how</span> <span class="s2">"great of a Christian"</span> <span class="n">they</span> <span class="n">are</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">4</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">59</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">People</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">practice</span> <span class="n">performative</span> <span class="n">faith</span> <span class="n">are</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">awful</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">5</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">00</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">It</span> <span class="n">drives</span> <span class="n">me</span> <span class="n">up</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">wall</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">it</span><span class="s1">'s so awful</span>
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<span class="n">Lamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">5</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">01</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Clown</span> <span class="n">shit</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="n">up</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">wall</span><span class="p">)</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">5</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">02</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">But</span> <span class="n">yeah</span><span class="o">...</span><span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">feeling</span> <span class="n">sad</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">seeing</span> <span class="n">those</span> <span class="n">tweets</span> <span class="n">earlier</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">Because</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">grieves</span> <span class="n">me</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">so</span> <span class="n">many</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">been</span> <span class="n">hurt</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">something</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">has</span> <span class="ow">not</span> <span class="n">only</span> <span class="n">been</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">blessing</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">but</span> <span class="n">has</span> <span class="n">genuinely</span> <span class="n">saved</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">life</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="n">different</span> <span class="n">points</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">5</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">03</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">mean</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">there</span><span class="s1">'s several instances in the Hebrew Bible of priests and prophets of God that weren'</span><span class="n">t</span> <span class="n">Israelites</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">Buddha</span> <span class="n">could</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">explained</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="s2">"Oh, he's a Prophet of God in India"</span> <span class="ow">or</span> <span class="n">something</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">5</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">03</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">want</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">say</span> <span class="n">thank</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">acknowledging</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">means</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">lot</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">lot</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">Christian</span> <span class="n">friends</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">get</span> <span class="n">super</span> <span class="n">defensive</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">little</span> <span class="n">no</span> <span class="bp">true</span> <span class="n">scotsman</span><span class="o">-</span><span class="n">y</span> <span class="n">about</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="s1">'s pretty upsetting</span>
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<span class="n">You</span><span class="s1">'re doing the opposite</span>
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<span class="n">Lamp</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">5</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">04</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Honestly</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'d be inclined to just</span>
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<span class="n">Not</span> <span class="n">feel</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">need</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">explain</span> <span class="n">it</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">5</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">17</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">know</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">it</span><span class="s1">'s like, to go through something traumatic, and have people dismiss it as nothing. I'</span><span class="n">ve</span> <span class="n">seen</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">listened</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">too</span> <span class="n">many</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">far</span> <span class="n">too</span> <span class="n">many</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">accounts</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">trauma</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">abuse</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">suffered</span> <span class="n">through</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">were</span> <span class="s2">"justified"</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">monstrous</span> <span class="n">distortion</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">faith</span><span class="o">.</span>
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<span class="n">How</span> <span class="n">could</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">call</span> <span class="n">myself</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">Christian</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">how</span> <span class="n">could</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">call</span> <span class="n">myself</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">man</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="k">if</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">saw</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">treated</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">hurt</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">pain</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="n">illegitimate</span><span class="err">?</span> <span class="n">Pulled</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="s2">"no true Scotsman"</span> <span class="n">line</span><span class="err">?</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">would</span> <span class="n">bear</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">mark</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">shame</span> <span class="n">forever</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">Especially</span> <span class="n">when</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">evidence</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">trauma</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">so</span> <span class="n">plain</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">see</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">anyone</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">has</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="bp">true</span> <span class="n">heart</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">others</span><span class="err">?</span>
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<span class="n">All</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">can</span> <span class="n">say</span> <span class="k">is</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m sorry. I'</span><span class="n">m</span> <span class="n">sorry</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="n">were</span> <span class="n">hurt</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">thing</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">love</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">draw</span> <span class="n">strength</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">was</span> <span class="n">used</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">justify</span> <span class="n">hurting</span> <span class="n">you</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">can</span><span class="s1">'t undo it, but I want to at least try and make it right, by giving the unconditional love that I'</span><span class="n">ve</span> <span class="n">experienced</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">God</span> <span class="n">back</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">you</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">Because</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">me</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">far</span> <span class="n">better</span> <span class="n">way</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">witnessing</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">faith</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">others</span> <span class="n">than</span> <span class="n">badgering</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">bullying</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">into</span> <span class="n">it</span><span class="o">.</span>
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<span class="n">samwise</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="n">no</span> <span class="n">pronouns</span> <span class="n">pls</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">6</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">06</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">It</span><span class="s1">'s really meaningful to me for you to say that rn. I draw love and strength from Christianity and it also has been used to justify hurting and dehumanizing me. It'</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">really</span> <span class="n">hard</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">especially</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">June</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">really</span> <span class="n">appreciate</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">these</span> <span class="n">types</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">conversations</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">space</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">this</span> <span class="n">discord</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">6</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">12</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m not queer, and I know queer people have it worse in many ways, but it'</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">difficult</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">grow</span> <span class="n">up</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">religion</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">society</span> <span class="n">where</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">structure</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">hierarchy</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">lots</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">Bible</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">two</span> <span class="n">thousand</span> <span class="n">years</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">writing</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">early</span> <span class="n">church</span> <span class="n">fathers</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">your</span> <span class="n">own</span> <span class="n">family</span> <span class="n">hates</span> <span class="n">you</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">your</span> <span class="n">female</span> <span class="n">body</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">such</span> <span class="n">viciousness</span>
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<span class="n">And</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">response</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">always</span> <span class="s2">"but Mary!"</span> <span class="n">which</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">really</span> <span class="n">gaslighty</span>
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<span class="n">Because</span> <span class="k">while</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">recognize</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">lots</span> <span class="n">of</span> <span class="n">people</span> <span class="n">derive</span> <span class="n">comfort</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">Mary</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">from</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">perspective</span> <span class="n">her</span> <span class="n">story</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">one</span> <span class="n">where</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">almost</span> <span class="n">universal</span> <span class="n">reverence</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">motherhood</span> <span class="k">is</span> <span class="n">completely</span> <span class="n">stripped</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">sanitized</span> <span class="n">so</span> <span class="n">prudish</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">misogynistic</span> <span class="n">men</span> <span class="n">could</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">comfortable</span>
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<span class="n">To</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">point</span> <span class="n">where</span> <span class="n">she</span><span class="s1">'s simultaneously an impossible standard and an experience of womanhood that'</span><span class="n">s</span> <span class="n">completely</span> <span class="n">alien</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">actual</span> <span class="n">women</span>
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<span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">wants</span> <span class="n">some</span> <span class="n">red</span> <span class="n">stuff</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">7</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">09</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">that</span> <span class="ow">and</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">fact</span> <span class="n">that</span> <span class="n">all</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">language</span> <span class="n">used</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">describe</span> <span class="n">her</span> <span class="n">sounds</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">the</span> <span class="n">text</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="ow">not</span><span class="o">-</span><span class="n">too</span><span class="o">-</span><span class="n">spicy</span> <span class="n">taco</span> <span class="n">kit</span>
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<span class="n">tender</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">meek</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">mild</span>
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<span class="n">Tim</span> <span class="s2">"The Tool Man"</span> <span class="n">Taylor</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">7</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">09</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">Lol</span>
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<span class="n">just</span> <span class="n">wants</span> <span class="n">some</span> <span class="n">red</span> <span class="n">stuff</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">7</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">09</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">slowroast</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="mi">3</span> <span class="n">hours</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">150</span><span class="n">C</span>
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<span class="n">TricornKing</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">7</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">32</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">You</span> <span class="n">are</span> <span class="n">absolutely</span> <span class="n">right</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">saying</span> <span class="n">that</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">Same</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="n">with</span> <span class="n">Mary</span> <span class="n">Magdalene</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">it</span><span class="s1">'s all done because insecure, egotistical men would rather put women down than use it as a chance to rise up and better themselves</span>
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<span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">wish</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">knew</span> <span class="n">what</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">say</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">make</span> <span class="n">it</span> <span class="n">be</span> <span class="n">even</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">little</span> <span class="n">bit</span> <span class="n">better</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">I</span> <span class="n">know</span> <span class="n">a</span> <span class="n">comfort</span> <span class="k">for</span> <span class="n">me</span> <span class="n">has</span> <span class="n">been</span> <span class="n">reading</span> <span class="n">posts</span> <span class="n">by</span> <span class="n">extremely</span> <span class="n">liberal</span> <span class="n">women</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">identify</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="n">Christians</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="n">who</span> <span class="n">go</span> <span class="n">absolutely</span> <span class="n">feral</span> <span class="ow">in</span> <span class="n">happiness</span> <span class="n">over</span> <span class="n">figures</span> <span class="n">like</span> <span class="n">Mary</span> <span class="n">Magdalene</span> <span class="ow">or</span> <span class="n">Mother</span> <span class="n">Mary</span><span class="o">.</span>
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<span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m sorry I don'</span><span class="n">t</span> <span class="n">have</span> <span class="n">much</span> <span class="k">else</span> <span class="n">to</span> <span class="n">suggest</span><span class="o">.</span> <span class="n">I</span><span class="s1">'m starting to fall asleep, and I'</span><span class="n">m</span> <span class="n">having</span> <span class="n">trouble</span> <span class="n">typing</span> <span class="n">this</span> <span class="n">on</span> <span class="n">my</span> <span class="n">phone</span><span class="o">.</span>
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<span class="n">Kivutar</span> <span class="err">—</span> <span class="n">Today</span> <span class="n">at</span> <span class="mi">7</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="mi">33</span> <span class="n">AM</span>
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<span class="n">It</span><span class="s1">'s not on you personally to say anything *that fixes things, discourse and listening are enough</span>
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