From b383ee5379a5c5ec623e4ba63369f3e9b6f79b30 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Madison Scott-Clary Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 17:10:15 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] update from sparkleup --- .../3/unknown-things/iyov/1-framing-devices.html | 2 +- writing/3/unknown-things/iyov/3-interpolations.html | 13 +++++++++++-- 2 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/writing/3/unknown-things/iyov/1-framing-devices.html b/writing/3/unknown-things/iyov/1-framing-devices.html index 20b59b023..2d28f7228 100644 --- a/writing/3/unknown-things/iyov/1-framing-devices.html +++ b/writing/3/unknown-things/iyov/1-framing-devices.html @@ -123,7 +123,7 @@ uncolored dreams made mere contrivances;

Or, well, I worry. I do not think many apologists worry, and this is not a work of apologetics. I am not an apologist, and whether or not I even believe in God is up in the air. ↩

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    In fact, the Talmud suggests that the Book of Job itself was authored by Moses. (Bava Barta 14b) That it also suggests that Job was among those who returned from the Babylonian exile and that was not real and that it is all an allegory does little to shed light on the matter. ↩

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    In fact, the Talmud suggests that “Moses wrote his own book, i.e., the Torah, and the portion of Balaam in the Torah, and the book of Job.” (Bava Barta 14b, etc.) That it also suggests that Job was among those who returned from the Babylonian exile and that was not real and that it is all an allegory does little to shed light on the matter. ↩

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    The first interpolation is that of a poem that comprises the entirety of chapter 28. The poem takes the form of a Hymn to Wisdom that Alter describes as “a fine poem in its own right, but one that expresses a pious view of wisdom as fear of the Lord that could scarcely be that of Job”. \parencite[458]{alter} ((On the hymn))

    The NOAB, however, suggests an additional interpretation of the Hymn to Wisdom, which is that it may have originally been the conclusion of Elihu’s speech. For evidence, they mention that this topic, the elevation of wisdom, feels familiar to those chapters of Elihu’s, wherein the youngster harps on the topic of wisdom and knowledge at length. Additionally, the editors note the similarity in the final verse of the Hymn, “And he said to humankind, “Truly the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding”” (Job 28:28, NRSV) closely echoes Elihu’s final words as they stand: “Therefore mortals fear him; he does not regard any who are wise in their own conceit.” (Job 37:24, NRSV)

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    The hymn itself is a respectable piece of poetry. It begins in a roundabout way, discussing the acquisition of physical wealth. It describes the ways in which gold and silver are extracted from the earth and copper smelted from ore. It describes paths unseen by beast, ones that require work to acquire. Throughout these few verses (1–11) runs a very clear directionality. From the start, they are heading towards something. They are pointing at something

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    The second of these interpolations is the Elihu’s speech — and, indeed, the entire character of Elihu, who is never mentioned outside his own chapters — in chapters 32–37. Alter holds a particularly dim view of Elihu, stating, “At this point, in the original text, the Lord would have spoken out from the whirlwind, but a lapse in judgment by an ancient editor postponed that brilliant consummation for six chapters in which the tedious Elihu is allowed to hold forth.” \parencite[460]{alter} Few seem convinced that the character and his speeches are from the original text. The NOAB, notably bearish on the whole Bible, agrees that this may indeed be the case, though it does so with a sigh and a tone of resignation, adding, “In any case, the Elihu speeches are part of the book we now have”. \parencite[767]{noab}

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    The hymn itself is a respectable piece of poetry. It begins in a roundabout way, discussing the acquisition of physical wealth. It describes the ways in which gold and silver are extracted from the earth and copper smelted from ore. It describes paths unseen by beast, ones that require work to acquire. Throughout these few verses (1–11) runs a very clear directionality. From the start, they are heading towards something. They are pointing at something. Verse 12 illuminates: “But wisdom, where is it found, and where is the place of discernment?” (Job 28:12, Alter)

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    Certainly not beneath the earth! If Qohelet has taught us anything, it is that. Wisdom abides despite toil, despite merriment, despite even riches

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    The second of these interpolations is the Elihu’s speech — and, indeed, the entire character of Elihu, who is never mentioned outside his own chapters1 — in chapters 32–37. Alter holds a particularly dim view of Elihu, stating, “At this point, in the original text, the Lord would have spoken out from the whirlwind, but a lapse in judgment by an ancient editor postponed that brilliant consummation for six chapters in which the tedious Elihu is allowed to hold forth.” \parencite[460]{alter} Few seem convinced that the character and his speeches are from the original text. The NOAB, notably bearish on the whole Bible, agrees that this may indeed be the case, though it does so with a sigh and a tone of resignation, adding, “In any case, the Elihu speeches are part of the book we now have”. \parencite[767]{noab}

    The editors of the NOAB offer additional insight, that Elihu’s speeches may have simply been shuffled out of order (a problem elsewhere in the text) and that his speeches may have originally come after the final of Job’s three friends’ speeches after chapter 27. This both lends credence to the Hymn to Wisdom in chapter 28 being the conclusion of his own speech and ensures that God replies to Job immediately after his final speech rather than after Elihu’s, which would better fit the structure of the book. There is no reason it cannot be both, of course; The two seconds could have been both interpolations and inserted out of order through some mix-up or whim on an early editor’s behalf.

    ((On Elihu))

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      I think we all must have one, an Elihu. ↩

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